What's with the hate?

[MaDMaX]

Obligatory: I hope this classifies as a pre-sale question!

I put in an application a bit ago and still waiting to hear back... Or not! :P Aside from that though, I took some time to research and read people's general opinions and reviews of Fantasy.cat online. It's.. Well, less than positive. Cough, reddit users- Cough.

What's the deal with that? It's so strange to me because it seems a majority of people's complaints are with Typedef directly/the community created here. I've taken some time to look over a few other pre-sale threads and even when the OP is being a bit.. Overzealous, typedef always seemed to genuinely be polite. I have seen mentioned numerous times the desire to foster a genuinely good community and desire to actually give a fuck about the users as a whole, something which remains extremely rare in today's age of-.. Well honestly? The internet at large.

It just really surprised me to see so much negative criticism pushed towards not necessarily the features or software offered, but instead the community and Typedef themself. Granted I do not currently have access to the advanced side of the forms, but even based off the surface level stuff found here within pre-sale questions, Typedef and the members I have seen so far all seem chill as fuck.

 

[typedef]

I haven't really seen much hate about me as a person. In all honesty, the hate comes from the politics that go on inside this community.

There's a lot of nepotism that goes on here. The members run the community. People play politics a lot here. If you're toxic or ill-mannered, you get thrown out really quickly. If you have a bad reputation in the cheating community or known as a malicious person by members here, people will 'vote you out' in a sense.

The positive is that it has kept this community very chill and relaxed. The Discord is chill. The forums are chill. It's not a zoo here. Everyone is very nice to each other. Consistent giveaways and community contributions. The family mentality becomes implemented. I'm very stress-free knowing I don't have to wake up every morning to idiotic threads like "help me chet no work!!!" or people flaming each other or being rude to one another. I don't remember the last time I had to moderate bad behavior or toxicity. I sleep well at night knowing I don't have to wake up to a chaotic shitfest going on inside Discord or on the forums.

The community guidelines are also very strict and it makes fantasy.cat secretive and shady to outsiders. Since people are very tight with each other here, outsiders are basically told nothing. I also don't advertise or publicize this community. So the only way you really find out about fantasy.cat is through word of mouth or you seek it yourself.

When you are a victim of this, I can naturally understand why it may upset people. It has stopped some people from being accepted or invited. It has also gotten some members removed from the community. It might also make people assume my character or personality. I don't really make decisions here unless it's software related. Members here can attest that I don't really talk much on the forums unless it's blog posting. That's the most you'll ever hear me speak. Otherwise, I just post updates every day or so and mind my business (for the most part).

Remember that the overall cheating community tends to be very toxic, irrational and clearly in a state of mental slowness. The people in the CS:GO and Minecraft cheating communities are at the bottom of the barrel of this. There's also an epidemic of narcissism from people specifically in the CS:GO community. Members here and myself do not like having these type of individuals here and therefore weed them out. You don't need to be known, popular, social or an ass-kiss to be here. There are lots of lurkers and people here with no long cheating background. But if you appear problematic (like most-to-all people in the overall cheating community), then the door will always be closed.

With this all being said about the community, you can maybe start to see why there is conflict. Of course, the super toxic and hate-filled individuals are going to have an issue with the people in this community. Of course, these same people have an issue with me because I don't want them near me or our community. Of course, they will begin to nitpick at anything they can.

Boo-hoo, $200/lifetime for ~7 cheats + active development + other benefits. But I will spend $15+/month for long periods of time on ONE SINGLE cheat and no active/transparent developer + cancerous forums and Discord. If you actually think logically about this: Nobody is forcing them to buy fantasy.cat. Therefore to seek a reason to be mad about something you're not being forced to do is actually really funny. But on the other side: The fact there is a nepotism here, you have to apply for review AND there is a price wall to it. It's frustrating to people who actually want to become a member.

It also doesn't help that fantasy.cat is very specific to a demographic. fantasy.cat solutions provide an aim-assist and are designed for specific people. It's designed for strict closet cheaters. If you just want to legit cheat or you want the most features out of something (because for some reason: more features = better quality), then you will feel underwhelmed and unhappy here.

So there's a lot to consider about this topic.

 

[xYoshimurax]

Fantasy effectively discovered a parallel to the paradox of tolerance and its implications for toxicity in a small online community.
Allowing anyone (who can pay) to join will inevitably attract all kinds, and as Fantasy (as in many cases) is just as much about the community as the products, attracting all kinds means that toxics will push away non-toxics from the community aspects of Fantasy.

In order to resolve this Fantasy sets the bar of default mutual respect higher than many comparable communities, meaning that those not used to or incapable of acting respectfully fall foul and get pushed out. These people are used to hate and have no problem spreading it outside of the community (as they likely did in the community to get removed in the first place).

As Fantasy has become more established, this default level of respect required has been rising, which is great for the community members, but irks undesirables further.
It’s really not hard meet the expectations of the community, but as typedef puts it, the “cheating community tends to be very toxic, irrational and clearly in a state of mental slowness.” As such the number of people that can’t is significant.

 

[MaDMaX]

I haven't really seen much hate about me as a person. In all honesty, the hate comes from the politics that go on inside this community.

There's a lot of nepotism that goes on here. The members run the community. People play politics a lot here. If you're toxic or ill-mannered, you get thrown out really quickly. If you have a bad reputation in the cheating community or known as a malicious person by members here, people will 'vote you out' in a sense.

The positive is that it has kept this community very chill and relaxed. The Discord is chill. The forums are chill. It's not a zoo here. Everyone is very nice to each other. Consistent giveaways and community contributions. The family mentality becomes implemented. I'm very stress-free knowing I don't have to wake up every morning to idiotic threads like "help me chet no work!!!" or people flaming each other or being rude to one another. I don't remember the last time I had to moderate bad behavior or toxicity. I sleep well at night knowing I don't have to wake up to a chaotic shitfest going on inside Discord or on the forums.

The community guidelines are also very strict and it makes fantasy.cat secretive and shady to outsiders. Since people are very tight with each other here, outsiders are basically told nothing. I also don't advertise or publicize this community. So the only way you really find out about fantasy.cat is through word of mouth or you seek it yourself.

When you are a victim of this, I can naturally understand why it may upset people. It has stopped some people from being accepted or invited. It has also gotten some members removed from the community. It might also make people assume my character or personality. I don't really make decisions here unless it's software related. Members here can attest that I don't really talk much on the forums unless it's blog posting. That's the most you'll ever hear me speak. Otherwise, I just post updates every day or so and mind my business (for the most part).

Remember that the overall cheating community tends to be very toxic, irrational and clearly in a state of mental slowness. The people in the CS:GO and Minecraft cheating communities are at the bottom of the barrel of this. There's also an epidemic of narcissism from people specifically in the CS:GO community. Members here and myself do not like having these type of individuals here and therefore weed them out. You don't need to be known, popular, social or an ass-kiss to be here. There are lots of lurkers and people here with no long cheating background. But if you appear problematic (like most-to-all people in the overall cheating community), then the door will always be closed.

With this all being said about the community, you can maybe start to see why there is conflict. Of course, the super toxic and hate-filled individuals are going to have an issue with the people in this community. Of course, these same people have an issue with me because I don't want them near me or our community. Of course, they will begin to nitpick at anything they can.

Boo-hoo, $200/lifetime for ~7 cheats + active development + other benefits. But I will spend $15+/month for long periods of time on ONE SINGLE cheat and no active/transparent developer + cancerous forums and Discord. If you actually think logically about this: Nobody is forcing them to buy fantasy.cat. Therefore to seek a reason to be mad about something you're not being forced to do is actually really funny. But on the other side: The fact there is a nepotism here, you have to apply for review AND there is a price wall to it. It's frustrating to people who actually want to become a member.

It also doesn't help that fantasy.cat is very specific to a demographic. fantasy.cat solutions provide an aim-assist and are designed for specific people. It's designed for strict closet cheaters. If you just want to legit cheat or you want the most features out of something (because for some reason: more features = better quality), then you will feel underwhelmed and unhappy here.

So there's a lot to consider about this topic.

Really enjoyed this response and it absolutely puts some things into perspective and makes a lot of sense. When you consider the already pre-existing toxicity that's oftentimes a standard in cheating as a whole, it does begin to make more sense why an application based community that chargers $200 to get in would recieve such hate, because more often than not.. I suspect the majority of people who can't attain access to such a community are those same very toxic people you mentioned so it's not surprising they would hate on you or the community directly.

If anything, I feel like- as someone who has yet to pay anything, you make it extremely clear what that price represents and I believe it's more than fair for what you offer and the entrance to such a well maintained community. People complaining about that price really seem to lack proper foresight or perspective, I've paid more than that for some of the most toxic communities I have ever seen and now that I am older and more mature, I truly comprehend the inherent value of a competent developer and community alike. It seems to me that you offer a service greater than just the software provided and I only hope more people can begin to understand that.

Hopefully like myself, this post can give some newcomers some perspective!

 

[thelock]

Really enjoyed this response and it absolutely puts some things into perspective and makes a lot of sense. When you consider the already pre-existing toxicity that's oftentimes a standard in cheating as a whole, it does begin to make more sense why an application based community that chargers $200 to get in would recieve such hate, because more often than not.. I suspect the majority of people who can't attain access to such a community are those same very toxic people you mentioned so it's not surprising they would hate on you or the community directly.

If anything, I feel like- as someone who has yet to pay anything, you make it extremely clear what that price represents and I believe it's more than fair for what you offer and the entrance to such a well maintained community. People complaining about that price really seem to lack proper foresight or perspective, I've paid more than that for some of the most toxic communities I have ever seen and now that I am older and more mature, I truly comprehend the inherent value of a competent developer and community alike. It seems to me that you offer a service greater than just the software provided and I only hope more people can begin to understand that.

Hopefully like myself, this post can give some newcomers some perspective!

Agreed with that, time makes us appreciate the most simple things, nice basic human interactions with trustworthy people, the trustworthy part being difficult to find in such an environment.